, bill clinton was, what, in his early 50s, i think. americans have been reluctant once they've sort of handed the baton to a younger generation, they've been reluctant to go back to an older generation for presidential leadership. >> they have, and this is particularly unchartered territory because we're talking about a woman. and how, whether it's sexist or not or ageist or not, how we deal with, you know, older women is something we just haven't really had an opportunity to experience yet. and i agree, this is -- part of her problem was also that she is old news in the sense that clintons and bushes alike, just ask jeb bush, these are names that people have been talking about for over 20 years. and there's a real sense out there on both sides of the aisle that it's time for a change. i also think, look, historically the idea that a presidential, that a party can hold on to the white house for three terms in a row is very, very rare, it's very difficult, and the idea that hillary clinton is the woman who can do that i find a little un